Marshall: Some School Staff Should Carry Guns
In response to the shootings at a school in Connecticut, Del. Bob Marshall has a proposal to arm some teachers.
National legislators are discussing the possibility of enacting tighter gun control laws after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
But in Virginia, a local legislator has proposed that some school staff be required to bear arms.
Del. Bob Marshall (13th District) has proposed a bill that would require schools to have some staff, certified in gun safety and competence, carry concealed weapons, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.
His proposal comes on the heels of Gov. Bob McDonnell's comments on WTOP that the state should consider allowing teachers to carry weapons in schools. As the Post notes, Marshall's proposal takes the idea a step farther, by ordering schools to arm some staff members.
Gun control and schools are very much on the minds of state legislators across the nation. Michigan's governor on Tuesday vetoed a proposal to allow gun owners with additional training to openly carry weapons in schools and other no-carry zones. A South Carolina legislator also filed a bill to allow school employees with concealed carry permits to bring their weapons to their school. And a Missouri legislator filed a similar bill this week.
Speak out: what do you think about concealed weapons in schools? Does it make students more or less safe?
Martin Tillett
10:03 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
No surprise here considering the other extreme legislation introduced by this VA legislator and fellow anachronistic party members. VA may well have one of the oldest representative bodies in the nation but to have members that continuously propose laws that are aimed at limiting human rights or in this instance propose laws that will aid gun manufacturers by proposing legislation that increases demand for more guns should help sensible citizens make the right decisions when 100 of those representatives are up for reelection next year.
T Ailshire
12:45 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Once again, Marshall is anti-choice. This time, he proposes "requiring" schools to do something. The proper course of action is to *permit* those who are licensed to carry on school property, NOT to require it.
Mandy
10:40 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I wish I could read an article by a 'progressive' that would define in detail their plan to solve this issue. All I ever hear are derogatory comments with no plausible plan. When a Conservative mentions a plan that most likely would have a positive impact, then suddenly the politics come into play with no viable option provided by the opposition to problem solving but just to leave citizens with a hand-wringing situation. Taking all guns away is not a practical option as it would only leave criminals with guns. Mexico is a good example with the cartels in charge. Look at the city of Chicago. Where is the outrage about Chicago murders on a daily basis? Gun ownership reduces crime and there are stats to prove it. Enough of this politicking and let's start enacting solutions to solve our problems in this country, whether it be guns or the budget.
Martin Tillett
11:07 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
How is not putting more guns into schools any less plausible than putting more guns in schools? Seems black and white to me. Frankly, I hope the conservatives keep this as one of their central ideas going into the next legislative election cycle. Then we can see how the majority of Virginians feel on the issue. Cartels may run the show in Mexico but the gun lobby has been running the show for quite some time in the US. Time again for voters to run the show.
Mandy
10:41 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I meant to state in my previous comment "I wish I could read a comment" not an article.
COILIN OWENS
11:00 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
By the same logic, no assembly of more than two citizens should be permitted without an armed guard: cookouts, book clubs, sewing circles, and cycling clubs. Rowing shells should be fitted with holsters and church pews with gunracks. Restaurants should set the tables to add Mausers to the knives, forks, and spoons. Next thing, animal rights folks will be calling for the arming of flocks of birds in winter and herds of deer all year long. Chickens will join the universal squalk for feathered rights, and shoals of fish will be notified that they must be equipped with underwater cover. Only then will gun rights be truly universal and the world safe from the senseless violence brought upon us by the few remaining non-NRA members left in the biosphere.
Mandy
11:41 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Martin and Coilin, please state your answer to solving the problem of school violence. And please don't go off-topic with frivolous statements about Mausers on tables and get over the politics. I have many Democrat friends that own guns. Many liberal celebrities own guns or have security. Let's have a comment with a solution and not just more blah-blah-blah political rhetoric. That gets us no where to solving a problem.
Karen Stallings
12:06 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Adding more tools of violence to an already volitile situation flies in the face of logic. The simple solution would be to criminalize the ownership of all guns and vigorously enforce the laws. Since that will never happen, sensible restrictions seem the best answer. Yes, mental health issues need to be addressed, but Alan Lanza was not the owner of the guns he used, his supposedly sane and responsible mother bought them and made them available to him. How would stricter mental health enforcement have helped there? Who will pay for and regulate the training and arming of our educators? How can we be sure that the weapons will be readily available when needed and yet safely out of the hands of either the children or unstable others? It is absurd to think that the answer to curbing violence is to add to the availability of violent tools
COILIN OWENS
12:20 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
The vast majority of deaths from guns occur within families and arise from disputes which, without them, would most likely not be terminal.
Some people can be shamed into turning in their weapons. Some people are embarrassed by ridicule.
For the rest, the severe restriction or outright banning of automatic weapons and handguns should begin right away.
It's not impossible at all.
In fact, the US is the only "advanced" country in which guns are so easily available.
E.g., the US has about 50 times more deaths per 100,000 citizens than the UK.
It is a political problem. And like all political problems, it requires a political solution.
And politics--unlike warfare--requires political discussion.
Martin Tillett
1:14 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I own guns too and I am an active hunter in VA. There is a proliferation of unnecessary guns and high volume magazines in our society that are not required to be a successful hunter. There are more than enough guns in our society to satisfy the needs of sportsmen for generations to come. Adding more guns is unnecessary and placing them in schools is unwise. The recent shootout at the Empire State Building involved 9 wounded civilians, all wounded by bullets fired by police at the shooter. I've yet to see you state a plan unless you are saying that the proposed legislation by Bob Marshall is a plan you support. No guns in schools is as much a plan as the alternative. Time to chill and not be so thin skinned about criticism directed at nonsensical proposals by a legislator with a longstanding track record of bizarre and antiquated ideas. When elected officials make proposals, I should think they anticipate critical remarks. If the other members that support Bob Marshall's proposal are conservatives then they and their citizen supporters should expect the same.
Mandy
12:42 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
There is no answer to make like on earth a utopia. There will always be good and evil. That is why I believe in a God and don't pretend that I will be able to make life on earth perfect. The simple solution you mention of criminalizing gun ownership isn't the answer even if it was possible because even fertilizer can be used as a mass murder weapon as well. Rocks, knives and on and on are weapons as well as fists and boots. How many articles to we read daily about young people getting drunk and getting in fights and beating others to death almost on a weekly basis? No outrage about the daily violence we face. We have to be realistic. Mental health is where we need to start. Since the ACLU gave the keys to the insane to run their own lives when they need help and medicines have left families of the mentally ill without any recourse until the individual hurts themselves or someone else. This is where we need to start - with the mental health system. And yet, that is never seriously addressed. Never. Just more hang-wringing and ranting against guns which do no good. Mental illness expert DJ Jaffe had an excellent article with a 5 point plan. I hope this link works. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dj-jaffe/violence-mental-illness_b_2308848.html
Let's start reading and working on where this problem seems to start which is with the mentally ill. They need our help since when in a psychotic state they can't understand they need help and need medication.
Mandy
12:47 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
(Continued)Also, let's work with the FDA for better mental health medication without so many side effects that leave the person with horrible side effects. FDA is working on a once a day pill for the mentally ill since most of us can't remember to take our pills on a regular, timely basis. We need this approval as quickly as possible. I would love to start reading on a daily basis the improvements made to our mental health system. This is what can be done and can make a difference for all. The families of the mentally ill can't even have access to their records without the patients approval and yet they are the ones who have to house and deal with a mental ill person in their homes and they have no recourse. Even to remove them from the house, they need to give 30 days notice, like the person is a renter. Families of the mentally ill need help also. This mother wasn't perfect as she should of had her guns secured and perhaps not taken this son target shooting. But we should be asking what could have been done to help her with this situation. She was trying to have him hospitalized, if what I read is true, but then she had to live in this situation until that happened. It seems the father abandoned the situation and the older brother wasn't involved. So this mother was left alone to deal with this. Please no more politicking and bashing guns. Let's talk about actually helping the mentally ill and their families. Otherwise, we wasting the value of the internet.
Karen Stallings
3:58 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Agree completely that our treatment of mental health is abysmal, but the guns used at Sandy Hook were legally bought by Adam's mother, presumably of sound mind, though I would say that is questionable given she made the guns available to her troubled son. Both the easy availability of those types of guns and the mental health issues need to be addressed. Arming more people is just absolutely not the answer.
COILIN OWENS
6:10 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
The Newtown tragedy began at home--where 80% of gun deaths begin.
So, I say to everyone who lives with a gun owner: WATCH OUT!
J. Griffin Crump
6:21 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
In his sermon last Sunday, our pastor asked us to think about the presents we'll be giving our children and grandchildren for Christmas, and to consider carefully those which involve violence. My mind went immediately to any number of video games in which the taking of human or "alien" life is the measure of success. And then I thought of Hollywood and TV. If our children are fed a steady diet of violence, are the odds increased that some of them will act it out in their own lives? And to what extent has our entire culture been changing to mirror what is served up to us daily by the "infotainment" industry? This isn't a new question, of course. And we've heard for years that industry's answer: "We're only giving them what they want!"
Is it really what we want?
Mandy
6:52 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
An excellent point Mr Crump and one that is never addressed and just shrugged off as if saying today's entertainment has no impact. As in the days of the ancient Romans and the Colosseum, the people wanted more and more violent entertainment and they increased it to satisfied the attendees. Doesn't mean it was the correct thing to do. These days, we pride ourselves on be so much more enlightened than in our past but are we really? Doesn't appear to me that we are. Just violent entertainment in a different format. I suppose this is why parents and citizens must make choices of what they want to partake of in life and this is where much of our society has fallen down. I grew up on TV shows of the 60's such as Leave It To Beaver or Andy Griffith Mayberry shows. (These days people would consider this square but I don't think so. No smart-talk back to the parents in those shows. Just respectful language and behavior we all would really like.) These shows were comedies but usually at the end had a moral point to the story for a kid to learn from. Don't see those anymore and our society reflects that loss. This is where the parents have to be accountable for what they feed to their children's minds. Another thing missing in today's society is shame. No one is embarrassed or told that isn't acceptable. These days, everything goes and we can see the results. Going downhill fast.
Martin Tillett
7:39 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I always thought these shows were scripted that way because of the restrictive nature of the FCC in those days about what would get airtime. Are you suggesting these shows accurately mirrored society at that time or would you be suggesting that we have a more restrictive FCC about what gets air time?
Mandy
7:44 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Have A Merry Christmas, Martin and others.
Martin Tillett
8:43 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Thanks for the avoidance of the question gesture. I am not a Christian nor do I celebrate Christmas. In the political climate of today I often find conservatives are so dismissive of liberals when confronted with any form of challenge or questioning. I'm sure it works the other way around as well. A lot of Americans don't really listen to the arguments, they check and make sure someone has a "D" or "R" beside their name, and then proceed to either praise them or crucify them depending on that. (But to be fair, most politicians just go through a list of talking points instead of having real discussion anyways. This goes for both sides and unfortunately that is how this tragedy will ultimately get played out until the next mass shooting. We didn't have violent video games growing up in the 50's & 60"s but I do recall trying to annihilate my opponent when playing board and card games. One of the more popular games in school gym class was a hybrid version of dodge ball called "murder ball". Violence remains an underlying tone in human competition and probably will not be changed by legislation to curb visual content in electronic gaming. Parents have a role here but alas one can't compel all parents to make wise choices. My wife and I kept violent video and computer games out of the home but then the kids were at friends homes where parents allowed them, thus exposing them. Less government, the mantra of conservatives, means less regulations. Happy Festivus!
Dian Gish Weber
11:03 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
There is a difference between being a teacher and an armed guard. I am a nurse and I am not comfortable being required to carry a gun to protect my patients or myself. If the only answer the NRA has is more guns in more places, then we need guns in church, in nursing homes, and everyone in every house needs a gun because you never know how the "monster"(NRA speak) will get in. Maybe it would be a good idea to try something a little more reasonable - fewer guns available, limited ammunition clips, no assault weapons for civilians, background checks before purcahase. There are lots of ideas that make more sense than living in the "Wild West".
Martin Tillett
9:03 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
The NRA message is one of fear. Fear your neighbors, be afraid in your community, be fearful of your political adversaries with whom you disagree. A political climate of giving no ground to those with whom you disagree destroys the art of politics and creates parties that become bitter enemies fearful of one another. Armed militias afraid of immigrants or the very person elected as President. Fear has had a prominent role in many of our national embarrassments such as slavery, voting rights, women's rights, immigration etc. Fortunately, citizens past and present have risen above the fear and moved forward to do what history has judged to be the right thing. The NRA is entrenched and unwilling to budge on its positions and is thus using fear yet again to try and sway citizens. Politicians who seemingly care only about getting reelected are perhaps the most fearful of the NRA because of their threats to defeat candidates that don't support them. In my view, they are legends in their own mind about their power with the electorate. Elected officials signing pledges to give unwavering support to 2nd amendment rights or to not raise revenues is an affront to democracy and the citizens that elect them to govern and to take action on the issues that impact their constituents. Lobbying groups like the NRA only have power and clout when citizens are unengaged in the civic and social fabric that holds elected officials to accountable for the peoples interest not the special interests.
COILIN OWENS
9:28 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Mr Tillett: you are correct.
This time, let's hope that the NRA's bluff has been called.
A coalition of citizens who value community over fear should take up the cause.
What about working our own blocks and neighborhoods to develop Gun Free Zones?
Griff: if you have evidence that violent videos produce gun violence, I would like you to post it here. Much as common sense--and indeed, good taste--would appear to support the contention, there is no scientific evidence for the link.
Ron Fitzsimmons
6:37 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
There is no one answer to this problem. But one thing is that we know these killers crave attention. They are done with their life and they want to go out making a big statement. One small suggestion from this liberal: dont show their faces, dont tell us their name. I dont need t know that info and it takes away their glory. Remember years ago when fans used to run out on the baseball fields? Well, they stopped showing them on tv, they just cut away and the problem has virtually disappeared. Stop "glorifying" these killers. Instead, put on the front page of the Washington Post the picture of another person who was killed.