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Same-Sex Marriage Appeal: County Clerk Fights Ruling

Judge Arenda Wright Allen ruled state ban unconstitutional.

The Prince William County Circuit Court clerk will make another attempt to defend Virginia's same-sex marriage ban, according to media reports, including The Associated Press.

Federal Judge Arenda Wright Allen ruled the ban was unconstitutional earlier this month, but stayed that ruling to allow for the appeal.

Prince William County was not involved in the initial suit, but County Clerk Michèle McQuigg joined the defense in January. The move followed Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring's decision that state lawyers would not defend the same-sex marriage ban approved by voters in 2006.

Norfolk Circuit Court Clerk George Schaefer has also appealed the ruling, according to Bloomberg News. Schaefer stressed in a statement that he was pressing ahead to expedite "final clarification" from the courts.

Herring also appealed the ruling, saying in a statement, "I have filed a notice of appeal to ensure that higher courts can swiftly rule on the critical issues in this case."

Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 04:15 PM
Oh and kim the Governor McAuliffe and Attorney General Herring won the election with a majority of the votes that were cast.
DRB February 27, 2014 at 04:22 PM
The norm of the group is the human races and you know it. You can try as you may to try and normalize this but you know as I do you that you are not being honest here. This is why it is so hard to have a discussion with Liberals. You can not get honesty or integrity from them.
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 04:27 PM
wrong on all accounts.
Laurie February 27, 2014 at 04:36 PM
Sue, thank you for sharing your experience. DRB, I respect each individuals's right to conscience, even if I think they are wrong. I think drinking alcohol is immoral, but lots of folks do that; prohibition didn't go well. I think heterosexual promiscuity is immoral. And I think homosexual relations are immoral. If I want others to respect my right to conscience, I have to respect their right to conscience. We have to be able to agree to disagree. But the definition of marriage is another ballgame. As I said, once we start redefining it, other special interest groups are going to chime in.
RileyMD February 27, 2014 at 04:39 PM
Our "global, human understanding of marriage" needs to catch up to the 21st century and be reflected by state laws. Here are some of the benefits of being married that same-sex couples do not have right now. Many of these cannot be secured through private agreements or through lawyers. Is it Christian and/or moral to deny same sex couples these rights? -They cannot file joint tax returns and benefit from certain exemptions available to married couples. -They are denied spousal benefits through Social Security. -They cannot make end of life decisions for a partner or emergency medical decisions. In some cases they can't even visit their partner at the hospital as they are not considered "next of kin." -In case of death, inheritance does not automatically go to the spouse and it becomes a huge legal hassle. If one partner/spouse dies suddenly and there is no will, the other spouse can't get the home they shared. -No family leave at work to care for a sick spouse. They cannot get bereavement leave from work if their spouse/partner dies. -They can't cover their families on their health plans without paying taxes on the coverage. Many employers don't cover domestic partners and/or their children. -Children of these unmarried couples are denied the automatic protection of child support, should their biological and non-biological parent split up. Non-biological parent is not a legal parent even if they raised the child from birth.
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 04:40 PM
So if the group that determines what the norm is to considered the entire human race, then we citizens who reside in the United States are deviants if we go by what your saying drb. Given that there's less than half a million of us compared to the nearly 7 billion others that live outside the US.
DRB February 27, 2014 at 04:45 PM
If you notice that there is more concern with Liberals about the word deviant then taking a stand and say that the deviant behaviors are wrong. Why? Because they don't think it is wrong. The original appeal was that homosexuality be tolerated their definition was acceptance not tolerance. They know that marriage for kids by pedophiles, bestiality and polygamy and anything else is next. Liberals have sold their souls long ago and cannot be reached without direct divine intervention. So I will pray for them but don't hold out much hope.
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 04:46 PM
Let me save Kim McCoy a little time (and us all a little pain) by re posting her earlier comments from another thread, on and by the way, she's been in a "committed relationship for 29 years... " I don't think government has any business being involved in marriage in any way. No tax incentives, no directive over our personal choices, nothing that has to do with our personal lives. Unless I am in some way engaged in commerce, government should butt out..."
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 04:47 PM
again drb... wrong on ALL accounts.
Sue L February 27, 2014 at 04:55 PM
DRB - I am being honest. I have honestly stated my beliefs, and did not edit anything that I cut and paste. You said you went to the same dictionary as I, although I didn't specify and I suspect there are several out there. You wrote "The norm of the group is the human races and you know it" I'm not entirely sure what that means. Our positions disagree, but your best "argument" seems to be that I'm not honest and don't have integrity. I guess that's your fallback, but if it makes you feel better go for it. Quick note to Kim, to add to Stan's comment: The first oath that the governor and AG take is to defend the Constitution of the United States, then the Constitution of Virginia. I suspect the reason AG Herring acted quickly was because the case was already on the court's docket. Quite a bit of his argument came from the earlier Supreme Court decision, and the words of that bastion of liberal thought Justice Scalia. During the campaigns Virginians knew the positions of the candidates and, as Stan said, the majority of Virginians voted for them.
Natassia Grover February 27, 2014 at 05:11 PM
Sue wrote: "Natassia - a event during which vows are exchanged without an authorized representative of the state present to sign the license is called "a party." Also, are you implying that I'm mentally ill because I support civil marriage for the LGBT community? Laurie - two questions. 1) I'm unable to have children - does that mean I can't get married? 2) Is it possible to put forth an argument against civil marriage rights without mentioning bestiality somewhere along the line?" You can call it a "party" all you want, but humans have been having weddings throughout history with or without a license. Now, that ALWAYS meant (until the past 50 years or so) a man being physically united to a woman. What we have today are homosexuals mimicking marriage and weddings. It doesn't really matter if they have a license, since all the same-sex license does is effectively destroy any real concept of marriage in this country anyway. It just means they get to suck more government benefits from the system in the form of military housing, Social Security death benefits, etc. But homosexual unions will never truly be marriages, no matter how much stomping of the feet and "I declare you husband and husband" that goes on. And yes, if you are one of those people actively pushing the government to go against the will of the people in favor of redefining marriage, then I would say you are mentally ill. Or a fool. Take your pick.
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 05:11 PM
Oh good, maybe we'll finally get Kim "to discuss my experience on election day at Marshall High School in Falls Church as an Inside Poll Watcher?" then we "can really know about how Virginians "lost" the election." She didn't actually do so in the other thread.
Natassia Grover February 27, 2014 at 05:13 PM
Oh, and the "I can't have children, so can I get married question?" is a red herring. The state is not interested in performing a physical exam to determine your fertility status. For one thing, some women thought to be barren have actually conceived. And someone women thought to be fertile could never have children. The state has no legitimate interest in performing the kind of invasive tests necessary to determine fertility of a man and woman. And it doesn't matter if the people are 80 years old. Miracles happen, and it isn't the role of the state to determine an old-age cut off point for women.
Natassia Grover February 27, 2014 at 05:18 PM
The idea that just because a slim majority of people voted for Democrats in Virginia does not mean the majority of Virginians want same-sex "marriage" (in quotations because, like I said, it is a sham). Remember, minorities are not interested in supporting homosexuality (remember California?) What minorities are interested in are all the yummy government benefits that Democrats promise to them. So, lets cut the cramp about assuming that a vote for a Democrat is a vote for homosexuality. It is all about the money. It always is.
Vicki February 27, 2014 at 05:37 PM
could I get a translation of this: "it isn't the role of the state to determine an old-age cut off point for women."
DRB February 27, 2014 at 05:46 PM
Sue, "I'm not entirely sure what that means." Seriously, but you can make up meaning for everything else. You are right that a good argument is that you have no honesty or integrity as witnessed by your post. Notice that there still is no condemnation for bestiality, polygamy, or pedophilia. To do so shows them to be hypocrites. Instead they would rather be thought of as supporters and why we can not trust Liberals.
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 06:19 PM
Natassia Grover writes " The idea that just because a slim majority of people voted for Democrats in Virginia does not mean the majority of Virginians want same-sex "marriage"". I would ask where this supposed majority was on election day? I guess they must have all been at home paying down the marital debt (in other words "gettin'some")... ALL DAY LONG. Holy moly, that's a lot of intercourse! Guess there's going to be a mini baby boom come August in Virginia.
Sue L February 27, 2014 at 06:23 PM
DRB -I still don't understand what was meant by your comment "The norm of the group is the human races and you know it" Like everyone I know who supports marriage equality, I condemn bestiality, polygamy and pedophilia. And I'm still waiting to find out why a discussion regarding marriage equality inevitably has someone opposed making those absurd comparisons. Natassia - A poll conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and Target Point Consulting from June 26-30, 2013 resulted in 55% of Virginians supporting marriage equality. Also, I have the medical records to confirm that I can't have children, so my question remains - am I still permitted to get married? But according to DRB, I lie and have no integrity, so I guess I just made up everything I typed. Sorry, I forgot I'm also a hypocrite. About what I'm not sure but I'm certain DRB and friends will enlighten me. Will one of you please answer Vicki's question? I'm also interested in the response.
Stan L. February 27, 2014 at 06:30 PM
Sadly you'll probably not get an answer to yours or Vicki's question Sue. They'l just keep Henning and hawing and skirt the question.
Sue L February 27, 2014 at 06:40 PM
Good point, Stan. So I think I'll sign off for the evening. I have the first episode of the new season of RuPaul's Drag Race in the DVR that I should watch. Have a good evening - to you as well, Vicki.
DRB February 27, 2014 at 06:41 PM
Alright Sue I'll play along. You now condemn those deviant behaviors. Those other deviant behaviors want the same equality that gays ask for. Why would you want to deny them their right to happiness and call these people absurd? You say you are for equality but it seems now you wish to pick and choose what should be equal. That is hypocrisy. That is you imposing your beliefs on society. I know reason and logic is not a strong suit for Liberals but try.
Vicki February 27, 2014 at 07:23 PM
Sue and Stan, agree it is time to call it a night. Tearing down the pillars of society is just exhausting work. Plus I have a vestry meeting tonight at my church, where all are welcome, no exceptions.
RileyMD February 27, 2014 at 08:20 PM
Apparently this needs to be spelled out for DRB. Polygamy, bestiality, and pedophilia are illegal. Most developed countries in the world consider polygamy to be a human rights violation. It violates the dignity of women. With bestiality, the concern is cruelty to animals. Lastly, pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder and also illegal--don't think I have to explain that one. A loving consenting relationship between two adults of the same sex does not violate anyone's human rights and it deserves to be treated with respect. It makes no sense to exclude loving couples who are already sharing their lives and raising families--the legal system needs to support them. After all, as others mentioned earlier, marriage is supposed to support families and provide protection for children.
Laurie March 01, 2014 at 08:54 AM
Riley, Sue - sodomy was also illegal just a few decades ago. Because of sad cases of homosexuals being murdered, compassionate people decided to change the laws. Now, that small group is demanding that society change the definition of marriage. There are other small groups, like polygamists and pedophiles, who feel they are persecuted by society, who would also like to change the definition of marriage. I mentioned that a small group of psychiatrists have already presented papers to their professional association that pedophilia be declassified as deviant, and that it be legalized as long as the children are consenting. Changing the definition of marriage WILL draw all of these other groups out to demand their equal rights. And if you think they are deviant, perhaps they think you are deviant. A pedophile or bestial might never consider homosexuality. You are seeing this from your perspective that they are deviant and you are not, and not seeing the big picture. Why not be happy sodomy is no longer a crime, and leave marriage alone.
DRB March 01, 2014 at 03:25 PM
Well said Laurie. Liberals have forgotten already how abortion has morphed. We are witnessing across the world that there is forced sterilization and forced abortions. We also see abortions based on the gender of the baby being female. (all will be coming to a country you live in soon) Our family has taken the stand against these atrocities by boycotting the Girl Scouts and the cookie sales which help support all these vile acts. So the pedophiles, bestial, polygamists and soon necrophilia are waiting in the wings to stand on the shoulders of the Liberals and Gay Community for breaking ground for all the deviants.
Raul Ortega March 01, 2014 at 05:11 PM
Now DRB, be a good boy and take your meds. You're going to the "bad place" again.
DRB March 01, 2014 at 05:25 PM
Overcoming Denial is the First Step to Recovery, Raul.
Raul Ortega March 02, 2014 at 08:55 AM
Oh, I read through all your comments yesterday DRB and there is no denying it, something about you is whacked brah.
DRB March 02, 2014 at 04:20 PM
I'm sure you mean that in the more modern colloquial. Thanks. So it sounds like you may be able to start your recovery and join the fight against Liberalism as your eyes become open. I will pray for the word to be in you.
Diana March 03, 2014 at 10:25 AM
Why have the constitution if all we do is change and destroy the true laws of what should be between man and women? I don't believe in same-sex marriage and their "benefits" tied to this. You give them a piece of the law and they are wanting more. I am sick of seeing the drag shows (this should be on late night after 11:00pm) then always hearing the coming outs. Are you suppose to get an award for this? Please I truly believe homosexuals are destroying the laws that are ment to be between man and women only.

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